Category: Knives


When knife and gun people talk about knives certain names come up over and over again. Wal Mart, and Ozark Trail are not normally among them. When knife and gun people talk about knives the price range is extensive. Knives under $10, or even under $5 are not normally among them. $1 knives are anathema to any such discussion.

Cheap Knives Clip Side 06/07/2011

Cheap Knives Clip Side 06/07/2011

Yet, as someone who owns, carries, and uses knives regularly my most commonly carried and used knives cost me between $1 and $10, and are no name, re branded, or Ozark Trail knives from Wal Mart. Why use inexpensive knives? Well, a number of reasons. Last year I lost a knife in the garden. It still hasn’t turned up. It had sentimental value that far exceeded it’s commercial value, but it wasn’t a cheap knife. It is no longer produced so I cannot replace it. I recently lost the $1 Wal Mart knife in the pictures, also in the garden. I felt a lot less bad about it than the other one.

Cheap Knives Side View 06/07/2011

Cheap Knives Side View 06/07/2011

Another reason is that knives get used hard. I use them to open boxes, cut plastic, cut tape, pry out staples, pry up metal retaining bars on fence posts, and do a number of other things. The knife that I lost year had a notch in it because I used it cut a Jerusalem Artichoke plant. I would have felt a lot less bad if I had notched a $1 Wal Mart knife.

Knives also get loaned out. Sometimes they don’t come back. Isn’t it better to have a cheap knife to loan than an expensive, rare, or important one? Inexpensive knives may be the only knives someone can afford. Having a $1 or $8 knife beats the hell out of no knife at all.

Cheap Knives Open 06/07/2011

Cheap Knives Open 06/07/2011

So far my cheap knives have held up well. They have done everything I have needed them to do. They have not bent or broken, or lost their edge. Do I own other better and more expensive knives? Sure. But I don’t carry them as often or use them as heavily as the cheap knives.

The knives in these pictures are from left to right: a generic chinese made knife rebranded as Winchester from a $10 Wal Mart gift set that had several other items in it, an $8 Ozark Trail knife, a generic Chinese made spring assist knife common at gun shows and flea markets, and a $1 no name Wal Mart knife.  All are lockblades, with the first 3 being liner locks, and the last being a typical old fashioned lockback.  The plain $1 lockback on the right gets the most use.

Knives were the first tool developed by humans. The knife marks the beginning of human civilization, the beginning of the historical record. A knife is the oldest human artifact ever found by archeaologists. The knife has stayed with us throughout our history. In any and every age people owned, used, and carried knives.

We use knives for an almost limitless number of purposes. Everyone should have a knife on them at all times. In fact, according to the rule of three you should have three knives. I have not mentioned the Rule of 3 in a while so here it is again: Rule of 3 – You can live 3 minutes without air, 3 days without water, and 3 weeks without food. Always have 3 sources of light, 3 sources of fire, and 3 knives. You may not want to carry 3 knives, but to not have a knife at all is simply inhuman.

Finally, after months, and months the New york Times has realized that Arizona is now a free knife state. And so is New Hampshire. We’re pushing it here in Pennsylvania, and hopefully the new legislature to be seated in January will be as amenable to knife rights as they are expected to be for gun rights.

I posted back in May and June about the change in Arizona’s knife lawsand New Hampshire’s knife laws , and then possibilities for reform here. Since then there is no evidence of any increase in knife crime or violence in either Arizona or New Hampshire. We have been continuing research into all of the people who have been harmed and put through legal hell under the current Pennsylvania laws for doing nothing wrong. We have been continuing research into the lack of any effect by the current laws on crime.

Of course the lame stream media has been completly ignoring the subject as usual. But now with activists in more states pushing it I guess it finally made their radar. Now the civilized and cultured people of the center of the universe, usually insulated from the outside world, can read in their own hometown rag about the desire of us uneducated savages out here in the boondocks to excercise our rights unencumbered by useless and arbitrary government interference.

I originally posted this on the www.pafoa.org forums, as well as the Pennsylvania section of www.opencarry.org, and www.paopencarry.org. But I figured I would post it here as well.

I’m sure everyone reading this knows that the U.S. and Pennsylvania constitutions state that our right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed and shall not be questioned. Have you ever thought that “arms” covers a lot more than firearms? Usually that is where the debate is. But the well regulated colonial militia members owned, carried, and used knives, tomahawks, axes, dirks, daggers, and other weapons as a regular part of ensuring the security of a free state and in defense of themselves and the commonwealth.
Many of you may be aware that New Hampshire recently repealed it’s switchblade and knife laws

http://forum.pafoa.org/news-123/1005…ml#post1214999 (Bearing arm more than just guns – Switchblade knives now legal in NH

http://www.kniferights.org/index.php…id=99&Itemid=1

But did you know that, lost amid the immigration debate, Governor Brewer of Arizona signed the nations first knife preemption law?

 

Did you also know that you almost lost, at the federal level, the right to own and carry a number of ordinary non switchblade knives including spring assited, and one handed openning knives?

 

Lucky for you people stood up and stopped it. Here is the same battle we are facing with federal laws, and with the firearms freedom act in various states. Who will decide what is the best policy for each state? Will the federal government unilaterally impose a one size fits no one standard on all? Or will the several states decide what is good for themselves?
Kim, Michael, Chris, and the others at FOAC have been doing incredible work to protect your right to own and carry a firearm. But they can only do so much. Like all of us, they have lives, and wives, and kids, and jobs. So we need to step up our game and take responsibility for getting stuff done to protect our rights against the constant attempts at intrusion.

Right now they are busy pushing HB 40, HB 1088, and opposing HB 2536 which the anti’s snuck in at the last minute.

http://forum.pafoa.org/pennsylvania-…tml#post678015 (Castle Doctrine HB 40 in 09 does anyone REALLY want this passed? If so please read)

http://forum.pafoa.org/pennsylvania-…ml#post1218261 (House Bill 2536 Offered)

So we need to step up and take some of the load. Plans are already underway to address 908 in the 2011 legislative session. Research is being done, information is being compilled, and a sponsor is being courted. www.kniferights.org is on board to support our efforts as well. But there is a lot that still needs to be done. We anticipate that with the budget taking up the reps attention we have about 60 days to prepare our material for the initial meeting. That isn’t as much time as it sounds like. If you want to help in this effort at this early stage here’s what you can do now:
Check on the laws, codes, regulations and ordinaces in your local municiality, city, county, borough, township, etc regarding the owning or carrying of knives or other non firearm weapons.

Post those here and/or email them to me. PM me for my email if you need it. If you post them here please include links if they are online. Please also include the name of the municipality and county in which it is located.

Repeat the process for all municipalities bordering yours. If you want to keep going beyond that, by all means go ahead. I’ll try to put up a web page showing the knife laws by municipality, similar to the POC list, NOC list, and Sheriff letters pages.

http://www.thecrimsonpirate.com/rtkba/poclist.html

http://home.comcast.net/~2a.rights/L…CarryList.html

http://www.thecrimsonpirate.com/rtkb…ffletters.html

Obviously I’ll have to add the municipalities other than counties as needed, but that gives you an idea of the format.
Is a knife that you could open automatically useful in your profession of any of your hobbies? Would you like to have one consistent knife law that you could know and understand across Pennsylvania? Would you like to take that dagger or dirk or mace you bought at the ren faire over to your moms house to show all of your cousins on Thanksgiving and not have to worry about getting arrested for it? Well I’ve given you something you can do to help the effort and be part of winning back rights that have been infringed and questioned. Whether you do or not, we will be fighting for your rights.

 

Many of you may be aware that New Hampshire recently repealed it’s switchblade and knife laws

http://forum.pafoa.org/news-123/1005…ml#post1214999 (Bearing arm more than just guns – Switchblade knives now legal in NH)

In the last couple of months there have big changes in the regulation of knives in two states. First on April 28th, lost amid the clamor over illegal aliens, Governor Brewer of Arizona signed the nations first state preemption law regarding knives. Second, as I previously posted on May 18th New Hampshire Governor John Lynch signed into law a knife rights bill effectively removing all restrictions on knives in New Hampshire. These are amazing pieces of legislation and recognize that the term “arms” in the U.S. and state constitutions covers more than just guns.

In Arizona This means that no smaller municipality within Arizona can enact laws relating to knives. The definition of knife in the new law is very broad covering a lot of edged weapons beyond common pocket knives. I copied the law itself below.
The Arizona Knife preemption law
The Arizona Law

(Final text of the law with the Governor’s requested amendments incorporated)
Section 1. Title 13, chapter 31, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended by adding section 13-3120, to read:

13-3120. Knives regulated by state; state preemption; definitions
A. Except as provided in subsections C and D, a political subdivision of this state shall not enact any ordinance, rule or tax relating to the transportation, possession, carrying, sale, transfer, purchase, gift, devise, licensing, registration or use of a knife or knife making components in this state.

B. A political subdivision of this state shall not enact any rule or ordinance that relates to the manufacture of a knife and that is more prohibitive than or that has a penalty that is greater than any rule or ordinance that is related to the manufacture of any other commercial goods.

C. This section does not prohibit a political subdivision of this state from enacting and enforcing any ordinance or rule pursuant to state law, to implement or enforce state law or relating to imposing any privilege or use tax on the retail sale, lease or rental of, or the gross proceeds or gross income from the sale, lease or rental of, a knife or any knife components at a rate that applies generally to other items of tangible personal property.

D. This section does not prohibit a political subdivision of this state from regulating employees or independent contractors of the political subdivision who are acting within the course and scope of their employment or contract.

E. A political subdivision’s rule or ordinance that relates to knives and that is inconsistent with or more restrictive than state law, whether enacted before or after the effective date of this amendment to this section, is null and void.

F. For the purposes of this section:

1. “Knife” means a cutting instrument and includes a sharpened or pointed blade.

2. “Political subdivision” includes any county, city, including a charter city, town, municipal corporation or special district, any board, commission or agency of a county, city, including a charter city, town, municipal corporation or special district or any other local public agency.

Legislative intent

It is the intent of the legislature to preempt the regulation of knives in this state. Knife regulation is of statewide concern. Therefore, the legislature intends to limit the ability of any political subdivision of this state to regulate knives. This act applies to any ordinance enacted before or after the effective date of this act.

NOTE: In addition, section 15-341, Arizona Revised Statutes; relating to weapons, was amended by adding reference to this new section 13-3120 to mirror the existing inclusion of the firearms preemption section. This will allow schools to continue to prohibit knives on campus, if they so choose, maintaining the status quo in this regard.

In New Hampshire, where there are apparently no municipalities with any knife regulation, this removes any and all laws that would stop law abiding citizens from buying, selling, owning, carrying, possessing, transporting, collecting, or lawfully using any type of knife. This is the first time in U.S. history that an entire state has completely repealed it’s knife laws.
The New Hampshire Switchblade law
The New Hampshire Law

HB 1665 as Amended by the Criminal Justice Committee 2/09/2010

SPONSORS: Rep. Coffey; Rep. Jasper; Rep. Eaton; Rep. Welch; Rep. Winters; Senator Letourneau

Explanation: Matter added to current law appears in bold italics.

Matter removed from current law appears in [ brackets and underlined.]

STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE

In the Year of Our Lord Two Thousand Nine

AN ACT relative to the penalty for using a stiletto, switch knife, dagger, dirk-knife in the commission of an offense.

Be it Enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives in General Court convened:

1 Carrying or Selling Weapons. Amend 159:16, I to read as follows:

159:16 Carrying or Selling Weapons. – Whoever, except as provided by the laws of this state, sells, has in his possession with intent to sell, or carries on his person any [ stiletto, switch knife,] blackjack, [ dagger, dirk-knife ] slung shot or metallic knuckles shall be guilty of a misdemeanor; and such weapon or articles so carried by him shall be confiscated to the use of the state.

2 This act shall take effect upon passage.

OF course this still prohibits blackjacks, slung shots(??), and metallic knuckles. Hopefully they remove restrictions on those in both states eventually. Never the less these laws are a huge victory for knife users (125 professions and hobbies), and collectors as well as sportsmen, people wishing to carry a knife for self defense, and in general advocates of more liberty.

http://www.kniferights.org/
http://www.knifelawonline.com/

The Union Leader reports that New Hampshire’s antiquated law prohibiting switchblades, stillettos, daggers, and dirks has been repealed.

The law was sporadically and selectively enforced. Participants in the Highland Games, for example, carry prohibited dirks with impunity. On the flip side Abe Foote, of Abe’s Awesome Armaments in New Hampton had to spend about $7000 to fight charges for selling prohibited weapons.

There are about 125 occupatons and hobbies in which knives are primary tools.  And dare I reference the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution? “A well regulated militia being nessecary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear ARMS shall not be infringed.” Arms are any weapons, not just guns. From the very beginning every military and militia in the world has used and carried knives, daggers, dirks, swords, or other sharp objects.

Knives were the first tool developed by early homonids (our ancestors). They are the only tool that has stayed with us, virtually unchanged in form and function from the earliest days of our species. Knives are the single most useful tool primates have ever developed. Not having a knife is inhuman.

Switchblades are already legal in 27 states. Unfortunately Pennsylvania isn’t one of them, maybe. Here you cannot legally own or carry a switchblade, unless it is as a curio. Yet you can buy them in every flee market in Philly.

The Pennsylvania law on Prohibited Offensive Weapons states
§ 908. Prohibited offensive weapons.
(a) Offense defined.–A person commits a misdemeanor of the
first degree if, except as authorized by law, he makes repairs,
sells, or otherwise deals in, uses, or possesses any offensive
weapon.
(b) Exceptions.–
(1) It is a defense under this section for the defendant
to prove by a preponderance of evidence that he possessed or
dealt with the weapon solely as a curio or in a dramatic
performance, or that, with the exception of a bomb, grenade
or incendiary device, he complied with the National Firearms
Act (26 U.S.C. § 5801 et seq.), or that he possessed it
briefly in consequence of having found it or taken it from an
aggressor, or under circumstances similarly negativing any
intent or likelihood that the weapon would be used
unlawfully.
(2) This section does not apply to police forensic
firearms experts or police forensic firearms laboratories.
Also exempt from this section are forensic firearms experts
or forensic firearms laboratories operating in the ordinary
course of business and engaged in lawful operation who notify
in writing, on an annual basis, the chief or head of any
police force or police department of a city, and, elsewhere,
the sheriff of a county in which they are located, of the
possession, type and use of offensive weapons.
(3) This section shall not apply to any person who
makes, repairs, sells or otherwise deals in, uses or
possesses any firearm for purposes not prohibited by the laws
of this Commonwealth.
(c) Definitions.–As used in this section, the following
words and phrases shall have the meanings given to them in this
subsection:
“Firearm.” Any weapon which is designed to or may readily be
converted to expel any projectile by the action of an explosive
or the frame or receiver of any such weapon.
“Offensive weapons.” Any bomb, grenade, machine gun, sawed-
off shotgun with a barrel less than 18 inches, firearm specially
made or specially adapted for concealment or silent discharge,
any blackjack, sandbag, metal knuckles, dagger, knife, razor or
cutting instrument, the blade of which is exposed in an
automatic way by switch, push-button, spring mechanism, or
otherwise, any stun gun, stun baton, taser or other electronic
or electric weapon or other implement for the infliction of
serious bodily injury which serves no common lawful purpose.
(d) Exemptions.–The use and possession of blackjacks by the
following persons in the course of their duties are exempt from
this section:
(1) Police officers, as defined by and who meet the
requirements of the act of June 18, 1974 (P.L.359, No.120),
referred to as the Municipal Police Education and Training
Law.
(2) Police officers of first class cities who have
successfully completed training which is substantially
equivalent to the program under the Municipal Police
Education and Training Law.
(3) Pennsylvania State Police officers.
(4) Sheriffs and deputy sheriffs of the various counties
who have satisfactorily met the requirements of the Municipal
Police Education and Training Law.
(5) Police officers employed by the Commonwealth who
have satisfactorily met the requirements of the Municipal
Police Education and Training Law.
(6) Deputy sheriffs with adequate training as determined
by the Pennsylvania Commission on Crime and Delinquency.
(7) Liquor Control Board agents who have satisfactorily
met the requirements of the Municipal Police Education and
Training Law.
(Dec. 20, 1983, P.L.291, No.78, eff. imd.; July 6, 1984,
P.L.647, No.134, eff. 90 days; July 11, 1985, P.L.235, No.58,
eff. 60 days; Oct. 4, 1994, P.L.571, No.84, eff. 60 days; Nov.
6, 2002, P.L.1096, No.132, eff. 60 days)

2002 Amendment. Act 132 amended subsec. (c).
References in Text. The act of June 18, 1974 (P.L.359,
No.120), referred to as the Municipal Police Education and
Training Law, referred to in the def. of “police officer,” was
repealed by the act of December 19, 1996, P.L.1158, No.177. The
subject matter is now contained in Subchapter D of Chapter 23 of
Title 53 (Municipalities Generally).
Cross References. Section 908 is referred to in section 6105
of this title; section 3304 of Title 5 (Athletics and Sports).

So everyone walking around at any of the several Rennaissance Fairs is in violation of the law. Dramatic performance? For the employees of the fair, maybe, but not for every guy who walks in in pointy slippers and baggy pataloons. And yet if I buy something at the fair then I’m in violation of the law. Maybe.

It is high time we stopped legislating against objects and focused on actions. The law should be clear and concise and I shouldn’t have to wonder if I’m a criminal because I bought some antique style weapon at the ren fair to hang on my wall. Of course, as with all weapons laws in this state, if you’re a real criminal committing a real crime the DA will plead away all of the weapons charges. They only prosecute those if there was no other crime invovled. Like you were carrying your dagger to your car to go to the fair.

For that matter the constitutions are pretty clear. “Shall not be infringed.” in the federal constitution, and “Shall not be questioned.” in the Pennsylvania consittution. Any law is an infringement and questionning of my rights.

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